Author Topic: BIM Level 2 vs BIM Level 3  (Read 683 times)

DSTATTERI

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BIM Level 2 vs BIM Level 3
« on: February 01, 2017, 10:04:59 am »
Do you believe BIM Level 3 can be achieved if BIM Level 2 is hardly done? Or does BIM Level 2 have to be at an advanced stage (ex: full 4D & 5D) in order to aim for BIM level 3?

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David Watson

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Re: BIM Level 2 vs BIM Level 3
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2017, 01:51:22 pm »
I don't believe Level 2 and Level 3 are really connected.  It just happens that Level 3 is harder to achieve, but could be accomplished on its own.

JohnKDickinson

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Re: BIM Level 2 vs BIM Level 3
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2017, 01:58:06 pm »
I am not sure I would agree. They do seem disparate but the underlying intent at level 2 seems to be dealing with models, objects and collaboration and for Level 3 (integrated and interoperable BIM) those would have to be present.

Of course, if we merely consider Level 2 as COBie then maybe it is possible (but a pain in the nether regions to structure and populate basic objects without a model).

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Re: BIM Level 2 vs BIM Level 3
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2017, 03:17:29 pm »
I think it also depends on scope...

IF we are talking Levels 2 & 3 pan-Canadian, or pan-industry, I agree that it Level 2 would have to be mostly present for Level 3 to succeed.

If we are talking at the level of let's say an international architecture or engineering firm, or a singular multi-million dollar project, I think that Level 3 could be set up within a specific parameter as a full leap forward, regardless of existing status.

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Re: BIM Level 2 vs BIM Level 3
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2017, 09:56:18 am »
I think the intent of Level 2 is more to get the industry used to working with new processes. It will help flush out the problems including contract language, collaboration and model hand off. It needs to be treated as a step along the BIM journey, not as the destination that many see it as.

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Re: BIM Level 2 vs BIM Level 3
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2017, 10:10:11 am »
Great discussion about BIM L 2and 3. BIM Level 2 should be used as the platform to gear businesses up for a L3 workflow, which is currently still being defined, as it is looking to pull IoT and Smart Cities Initiatives in to it. You may be interested to know that the UK wont be calling it BIM L3, it will be called UK Construction Level 3 or something similar.
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